"But the universal is clear: the Bible teaches that women should not have spiritual authority over a man or relational authority over a man in marriage. God has designed for there to be order implemented in society regarding government, the church and the home. Having order implies submission. To submit simply means to acknowledge or recognize your place within the God-given order of things, and to accept the authority that God has instituted. The word submit is not a call to mindless obedience. It also doesn't have anything to do with who is smarter, better or stronger. It's about leadership. And submitting is very conditional on the leadership being Christ-centered." -- James White
Agreed! How can White not see this is the same exact dynamic in church order? No one is suggesting mindless obedience or who is smarter. It is just God saying that women should not teach or preach with authority over men in His church. He even gives us the reason why! Because Eve was deceived!
"When it comes to order in the family, God says that there needs to be a leader. And not just any leader, but a loving, servant-hearted, caring leader who is charged to have the best interests of the family in mind. In essence, God says to the wife in the family, "I'd like that leader to be your husband. Not because you can't lead, or you are inferior, or because I love you less, but because it needs to be settled. I've made the call, and I'm asking him to lead. And for the sake of the family, I'm asking you to accept it and follow. When it comes to the church, there is order as well, and that order -- that authority -- is to follow the pattern of the home. So when it comes to talking or teaching, it is not to be done by women in such a way that it takes away the leadership role God gave to men." -- James White
Can't we just say this is how God decided and be done with it? Why all the couching that is not supported scripturally? You will see it is to allow these loose definitions to excuse ignoring the key verses.
