"I know this man to the depths of his soul. I cannot think of a more biblically orthodox, humble, Christ exalting individual who lives an incredibly simple lifestyle. So, when I hear people say that he is a false teacher it angers me because I know the individual. I know the man personally. And he is not NAR that has been claimed by so many. He has openly defied it." - Sam Storms
How's that quote aging now Sam? Just so we are clear, this humble, simple, Christ exalting man, lied to a 19-year-old sheep about what God had said to him, specifically that his current wife was going to die so they could one day get married. He did this to lure her into an adulterous relationship that lasted four years, while he was building the IHOP empire. Before that he also lured a 14- and 15-year-old separately into sexual relationships when he was an adult minister. That does not sound very Christ exalting to me. Ironically, Sam then (47:38) told the story how Bickle prohibited Bob Jones from ever preaching on his platform again after Jones was found to have prophetically manipulated two women. The Bickle situation brilliantly highlights why we cannot justify people based upon the "I know them" defense. This is why we rely on the word of God and testing what people teach. It does not matter if Ravi or Bickle taught holiness well, they were lying! Brown asked recently what we should do with the great holiness teachings of Ravi and Bickle and the answer is throw them in the trash where they belong!
1:08:55 - Storms uses the Brown defense from earlier regarding Kenneth Copeland by saying if everything Justin says is true than he is not a brother, but he (Sam) has not done the research, so he doesn't know. Shouldn't you? Is Kenneth Copeland an unknown entity? He claims to have fleeced the flock for over a billion dollars. His video about why he won't fly coach went viral. There were plenty of people mentioned by both sides that were lesser known but Kenneth Copeland? This just speaks to the utter disingenuousness of the Brown-Storms side. Once again, my cat knows who Copeland is and is creeped out by him. It took me a month to get him off his mailing list.
1:09:40 - Brown tries to say that he called out Joseph Prince by name in his Hyper-Grace book, but he does not mention that the second time I was on his show he said that Prince was a good brother in the Lord who has some holes in his theology. If you write a good book about antinomianism but refuse to call Joseph Prince a false teacher teaching antinomianism then we don't need your book. At 1:15, Brown makes the claim that he has not spent time in any churches that Justin would be combatting. This is another Brown tactic. He makes singular absurd statements and quickly moves on before anyone questions it. Brown has been to Bethel and has taught at Bethel's supernatural school. I know Justin has combatted the horrific theology of Bethel, just to name one. At 1:25, Brown states that even if Sid Roth has on people as loony tunes as Kat Kerr, that he would not call him false. The reason? He constantly says he has known him for forty years. Who cares? Is his show heretical or not!
At 1:26, Jim Osman says, assuming there would be total agreement, that some episodes of Sid Roth are crazy. The example offered was someone claiming something about a warrior dance in heaven but that was greeted by Storms with "How do you know it is not true? Zephaniah says God danced over His people." Osman was clearly caught off guard because of the sheer lunacy of the rebuff but this "how do you know it is not true" is constantly offered as a defense when it really isn't. It is just wielded to shoo away criticism. The hypocrisy is at many other points Brown and Storms accept anecdotal third hand attestation but it could very easily be asked of them - how do you know it's true!
At 1:30, when discussing Kevin Zadai on Sid Roth claiming Jesus was at the foot of his bed playing the saxophone, Justin asks if they believe that. Brown says unlikely but he can't say it didn't happen. This is the sneaky squid all over again. It is a specious argument to say you can't use common sense because you were not physically at the foot of the bed with Zadai. Brown's tag line is he is the voice of moral clarity but only when it comes to unbelievers in the world who have different politics than his. When it comes to Jennifer LeClaire or Zadai, nothing is clear because he was not a direct witness. It is just so hypocritical.
At the 1:33 mark we come to the story of "mommies and daddies" and Justin's answer misses the point hugely. The word of knowledge in this story brings glory to God and hopefully assures the victim that God sees them. Justin's answer that the bible assures them is tone deaf. Not everyone reads the bible and certainly not as in depth as we might. God could very easily use a word of knowledge to convey this. I am not judging the veracity of the story but the way it was told can be compelling if you believe in the gifts.
1:49:51, when discussing Osteen, Brown says, "can I say he is a false teacher meaning hell-bound and all of that? No. I don't know that, but I wish he would change his message or not be preaching." This is the typical Brown tactic. He couches it enough on the other side but ultimately refuses to say the obvious using the other tactic of pretending that commenting on false teaching is condemning someone to hell. The reason why he was free to use this specious argument is that he got Justin and Jim to agree at the start that a false teacher was a hell bound reprobate.
