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Within the Dangerous Mind of Kris Vallotton and the Heresies of Bethel Church

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Once again, can you see the disconnect? We may indeed have certain advantages over the unsaved but what would Kris have us leverage them for? For the advancement of the kingdom? For the spreading of the Gospel? No. These advantages should mean that we have overcome sin and the world. That when the rest of the world runs to medication and therapy we are sound in Christ. When the rest of the world demands vengeance and violence we prefer peace and giving. Why is it "suffice to say" that we should be all of these carnal markers of greatness that Kris has outlined? Shouldn't we be the most humble, loving, and holy? Remember the brilliance, resourcefulness and advanced ideas of God are mocked by a world that sees them as foolishness. The creativity, imagination and inventiveness of God? Dismissed outright by atheists and essentially dismissed by agnostics. The indwelling of the spirit should speak to our new life in Christ. It can be considered the source of our spiritual gifts. It is our gateway into understanding scripture. To Vallotton it is the inside track on becoming great in the world. How profoundly sad. What is equally sad is Vallotton's understanding of scripture. He quotes 1Corinthians 12:8 and fails to see the key verse just three verses away that clearly teaches not everyone gets all of the spiritual gifts. That the Holy Spirit gives these out as He wills. Kris obviously also believes this to be carnal wisdom. It is not. He continues with his list of advantages:

"3. You have the mind of Christ, which means you think like God. We are His divine think tank! (1 Corinthians 2:6-16) The Apostle Paul points out in these verses that what was a mystery to God's Old Testament people is actually revealed to us because we think like God! Read it for yourselves, "We have received the Spirit of God who knows the mind of God." Therefore since the same Spirit lives in us who lived/lives in Jesus we actually think like God. Do you want to know what God is thinking; what are you thinking? When you are right with God you think His thoughts! The Old Testament prophet went on to ask, "WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD"?" The great apostle Paul replied, we do! "We have the mind of Christ!" The mind of Christ is your X-factor, your secret weapon"But to activate your heavenly advantage you must lose the compliant, religious rule keeper, black and white mindset so you can journey out into the world of mystery, miracles, and divine mayhem. We have become predictable, boring, vanilla, uninspired people. Yet our Founder is a radical fore-thinking activist, who in three short years, altered the course of human history. Jesus transformed the way the world viewed God, money, nature, religion and kingdom life etc." -- Kris Vallotton

Wow, how breathtaking bad is this? First of all, believing you are God's think tank indicates that you are clueless because you cannot see how that means you are thinking FOR God instead of LIKE God. Now, let's deconstruct this heretical pile of nonsense. First of all, the mystery to the Old Testament folks was because they had no written word. They relied upon revelation through the prophets. For the New Testament believers, Kris already pointed out that we have the indwelt Holy Spirit but he missed the reasons why. The spirit leads us into all truth contained with His word -- which is the mind of Christ! Instead, Kris tries to turn it into the esoteric and Gnostic response that anything I think is what God thinks. What is worse, is he believes it is some kind of secret weapon only usable once we forget about religion, rules and get this -- compliance! Do you want to know a great synonym for compliance? Obedience! Instead of being confined to the word of God and the truths the spirit can lead us into, Vallotton openly teaches an asinine concept of "divine mayhem." Jesus transformed everything away from false teaching! Not so the likes of Kris Vallotton can teach so falsely again without objection. I object. If God is a God of order and one of the fruits of the spirit is self-control, in what kingdom do you think "divine mayhem" resides?

"4. You are a "new creation" born again into the kingdom of God. The word "new" here means "prototype" -- something never before created. (See 2 Corinthians 5:17.) We are the first creatures to live on earth and in heaven simultaneously. Our head isn't stuck in the clouds; it's positioned in heavenly places.

5. You are endowed with "the manifold wisdom of God" by which the Lord reveals the mysteries of the kingdom "through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places." The Greek word translated "manifold" here means multicolored or multidimensional. Jesus has granted us multidimensional wisdom"the ability to understand challenging situations from every conceivable perspective and from every imaginable realm. (See Ephesians 3:1-10)" -- Kris Vallotton

Wow, aren't we great? I mean, we are prototypes, never before created, living on earth and in heaven at the same time, endowed with the manifold wisdom of God. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back just yet. If you actually READ Ephesians 3, you discover the context is talking about the Gospel of Jesus Christ! The usage of manifold is not to infer multidimensional wisdom for the believer. Everything the bible says Kris tries to warp into some kind of superpower God has given him. As for the usage, let's turn to Poole's Commentary:

"The manifold wisdom of God: exceedingly, or many ways, various. The Divine wisdom is in itself one simple thing, but appearing in so great variety of works, it is said to be various." -- Matthew Poole's Commentary

The manifold wisdom of God applies to multi-dimensional nature of God, not a secret power we can wield. This is the constant theme of Bethel Church. They take whatever is meant to be applied to God and they try to usurp it. They even operate a school where they teach the gifts of the Holy Spirit, which is pure blasphemy. It is the Luciferin sin of wanting to ascend to the throne of the Most High. They take the manifold wisdom, which applies to God and instead they teach it means you can solve all the worlds problems because you can see them from every conceivable perspective and every imaginable realm! Except you can't. You are not God. Sorry Kris.

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I'm so sorry that this is what you get out of Kris' teaching and Bethel as a whole. I have never been to Bethel.. But I have reaped fruit from their teachings and ministries since 2009. For 10 years I've taken their ideas and anyone else's whose teachings I've listened to not only to the Word, but to the Lord in prayer. Never once, in all these years have I heard them promote self or self worship. Jesus, Himself, talks about how the Kingdom is HERE because we carry it, now that He's reconciled us to the Father. Kingdom is simply carrying out His will... On earth as it is in Heaven. Jesus prayed that. Jesus also said that the way we judge a person (and I believe this also applies to ministries) is not by their doctrine but by the fruit. If you compare, over the course of Kris' ministry and the course of Bethel's existence how much good fruit has been born in people's lives to how many are trying to disprove Bethel... You'll see the fruit far outweighs the concerns. Jesus also said a house divided against itself cannot stand and so I have to believe that if there's fruit (every good gift comes from Heaven /God) it can't be the devil producing it. When I don't understand what part of the body of Christ is doing I remind myself 1. We are not to all look alike nor function the same... What would a body do with 5 hands but no legs, arms, or head? And 2. I should seek clarity, because I could be wrong and scripture tells me to think the BEST of my brothers and sisters along with thinking on whatever is true, noble, lovely, right, pure, admirable, and praiseworthy... He didn't say to look for the opposite of these things. Can Christians get it wrong? Absolutely. The progression of walking out salvation always includes mistakes or wrong beliefs but God never leaves us there. He is faithful to correct and He doesn't post articles on the internet to do it... He's very careful not to make us look bad to others. This isn't love and even if Kris/Bethel are your enemies you're commanded to love them and give to them. I see no scriptures under the new covenant that say "expose" anyone. Just my thoughts. Bless you and I pray your ministry will bring many into deep relationships with our Father.

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Reply to Joanne McAfee:

Thank you for your message. It was kind in disagreement, something not always easy to accomplish. Suffice to say we disagree greatly on Bethel but allow me to point out where you may have misunderstood the points I was making.

Self-worship was a statement on modern worship as a whole, and Jesus Culture in part, which comes from Bethel. Take for example the song "How He Loves Us", which while not written by Jesus Culture was made more popular by them. This song is self-worship. It is not worship to tell God how much He loves us. It is arrogant and rude quite frankly. One of the lyrics declares that WE are His portion. That is backwards.

Bethel also promotes this outside of Jesus Culture and worship. They are ground zero for experiential Christianity which supplants scripture with personal experience. It is taught to the worship leaders and I have seen the video training. It is taught at their alleged supernatural school, where they violate the bible by pretending to be able to teach the literal gifts of the Holy Spirit. This was obvious when reviewing their curriculum.

I have seen zero good fruit born from Bethel. All I have is anecdotal stories of fruit, such as you attest to. To counter that I have testimony after testimony of people who escaped the cult like atmosphere of Bethel. Fruit without sound doctrine is rotten fruit. While we are taught that we will know false prophets and teachers by their fruit, that does not solely mean works, because works can be faked but doctrine reveals what your heart believes. Raed Gills Exposition of Matthew 7:16 for further clarification.

I agree a house divided will not stand. I do not view Kris, Bill, Shawn or Bethel to be brethren. They are in fact slaughtering my brethren. They do not belong in the sheep pen and deserve nothing but the working end of the shepherd's rod. He is not merely "getting it wrong" as we should always have grace for errors. If you refuse to change your errors however you have moved into the territory of being false. Vallotton's last book on greed and money was nothing but pure heresy.

While we all do not look alike nor serve the same function, we are all bound by doctrine. Romans teaches us that it is false doctrine that divides the body of Christ, not those correctly pointing it out. I am unsure where scripture says we must always think the best of our brothers and sister but again, Kris is neither. You correctly say this is not love because it is not. It is pure disdain for what he does to the sheep of the Lord. That is who I love. That is who I seek to protect. The verses about giving to our enemies deals with our personal lives not false teachers. You asked for scriptures regarding exposing false teachers:

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. -- Romans 16:17 (NKJV)

For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. -- Tituse 1:7-9 (ESV)

So I thank you again for your response and I hope you take what I have to say to heart. This devotional spoke to very specific teachings and went line by line through what Kris had to say and at every turn I explained why he was wrong. I appreciate your experience but that is just your experience. I am sure you agree we should always let scripture guide our paths. Be well.

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