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Disgusting Accusations, Conspiracy Theories, and Lies - The NAR COVID Position

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Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. - Romans 13:1-2 (ESV)

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There is a movement afoot in the apostate NAR led churches. It is a movement based upon politics and grievance. It has no biblical stand nor authority. It is driven by men following other men. It worships this country. It idolizes the sin this country allows under the pseudo-pious veneer of faux righteousness. It has traded in the Gospel of Jesus Christ for the expediency of a political party that uses them for their own carnal ends. For the churched, this dominionism is the sole focus of their faith. As we head closer to Election Day the political forces put the squeeze on the church leaders, who faithfully obey their masters and try to squeeze their congregations. In doing so they reduce the god they serve to a helpless being that cannot survive unless their candidate gets elected. A god that could not possibly plan for any outcome other than what they desire. This is not surprising as the NAR god serves man instead of the correct order of the universe. One of the loudest recent voices in NAR dominionism is Shane Idleman. As with some in the dominionist circle, it appears Idleman may have once preached the Gospel correctly but he simply cannot see the huge blind spot he has in the NAR. Above is linked his latest efforts to shame pastors into feeding their sheep into the COVID woodchipper. Let us reason once more beloved.

'"If you don't stay closed, we will close you." Comments like these are commonplace, especially in liberal states like mine (California). Like most American churches, we closed our doors when President Trump first issued the order early in 2020. We were very willing to submit to the governing authorities and protect our community--that is, until the political motivation of the lockdown became obvious. A clear agenda is at work, one with scores of inconsistencies. As just one example, a story of a man dying of alcoholism caught national attention because the cause of death was recorded as COVID-19. And one day government officials tell us to wear masks; the next, they tell us not to. Journalist Sharyl Attkisson, a former CBS News reporter, has exposed many other inconsistencies. Prisoners are being released, while law-abiding citizens are arrested. Numbers are being altered, and hospitals are benefiting from COVID-19 cases. Riots and protests are encouraged while church attendance is banned. We can no longer hide behind excuses like, "Staying closed is loving our neighbor." No, staying closed now is loving laziness.' - Shane Idleman

What absolute garbage. Notice however what is behind this evil spirit. Politics. When the president, who is in his political party, says to close the church doors Shane has no problem complying with Romans 13. Once that decision is extended however by the Governor of his state, who is in the other political party, Shane petulantly refuses. The bible does not work like that. We do not get to obey based upon the messenger. We do not get to decide what is motivating people, read inconsistencies as conspiracy theories, or alter science to excuse our blatant disobedience to the word of God. Is God not capable of dealing with whatever inconsistencies we think we might see? Is He still on the throne? Why does He need your help to accomplish His will for His church? The notion that hospitals are benefitting from COVID is a disgusting lie, debunked 100 time over. Sadly, Shane mischaracterizes the bottom line. Churches were not banned. Large gatherings were because they can become super-spreader events. The stale Fox News talking about protests is irrelevant. It does not change what the bible says, nor what Shane's primary job is as pastor - to shepherd.

"Recently there was quite a bit of interest over the CDC's statement that only 6% of people actually died of the coronavirus alone, putting the nationwide death rate around 0.003 percent. But many liberal organizations rushed to explain it away. This, too, clearly points to an agenda. Dr. Anthony Fauci, when speaking at Georgetown University in 2017, warned of a "surprise outbreak" during the Trump administration. Was this just a good guess? Many say that the World Health Organization, the CDC, Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci are all connected, each having vested interests in the current pandemic (as does a certain political party). And does no one find it odd that hydroxychloroquine has been safely used as a treatment option since the 1950s, but now it's under scrutiny? Suddenly a drug that has been in constant use worldwide for more than 70 years needs more testing to determine if it is safe? How many more years do the "experts" need to study it? Hydroxychloroquine is in the way of vaccine production. Too many things are not lining up." - Shane Idleman

Shane now dons the tinfoil hat and tramples his witness for Christ. He bears false witness without care or caution and he outright represents lies to further his agenda. The nationwide death rate for COVID is not 0.003. If a truck hits three people but two of them had diabetes did the truck only kill one person? This is not only a moronic way of looking at the mortality report from the CDC but is essentially spits in the face of the dead. The report in question simply lists ALL conditions at the point of death, including those caused by COVID! So some say, COVID and Pneumonia. Is Idleman really claiming that person should not be classified as dying from COVID? The sad thing is he cannot even see when he is being used, as do most of the church. This report had been released every month since February. It was only this time that political forces made sure people focused on the 6% numbers and fake Facebook memes would soon follow. A month later people like Idleman is still reporting this nonsense as fact.

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So many lies from Shane...

That I don't know where to start or even which to address. This guy is as exasperating as the rest of NAR. I think though, that these groups, regardless of what they call themselves, can no longer be called or labelled as "the church". Clearly they are not the Church of Jesus Christ (and I don't mean the denomination). They are not the body of Christ. The true body of believers in Jesus Christ love Him first and foremost. They allow no man on the face of the earth to get between Him and them. They allow no other concept in their lives but God's Truth. True children of our Lord will leave these groups and they have and still are. Just because these fools that run these groups have rather large flapping gums, does not mean they stand for the one true God. Obviously they do not. As the Bible says, "if our gospel be hid, it's hidden to them that are lost." It's definitely hidden to these wolves in (tattered) sheep's clothing. But they have their purpose, as did Judas. The Lord intends to let the wheat and tares grow up together (any farmer and gardener knows, you can't pull weeds too early, you'll yank up the good seedling along with the tare), and then He will separate the wheat from the tares, because the time is right. We can see that happening before our very eyes! Separation. Then He will remove the chaf (the hard outer shell known as bran from the wheat). So our hearts will get softened more and more towards our Beloved Lord and the tares...well Jesus said they're only good for one thing. It's exciting yet kind of frightening to see this played out. All I know, is to stay faithful to Jesus Christ.

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Reply to Win DeWitt: yep

i try to refer to them as the apostate church

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Some thoughts...

As a reader in Switzerland, Europe, it's interesting to see how this pandemic thing is handled in the US. Clearly there's something different in how govts handles, maybe how people lives. I don't really know about the "american mentality", so i don't understand the motivations between the opposition positions for things like masks or lockdowns. Viewed from here, something is clearly politically off - not necessarily about the virus itself, more about use it as a pioneer excuse for things like digital identity concepts, rushed tested new vaccine concepts and population control - EU politics talked very open about such things the last few months.

That said, it's even more "fascinating" how those who play church handles this situation; as if stadium christianity would have worked as default anywhere before covid (China? Middle East? Early Church?...)... and it looks like they have no idea how the gospel should work otherwise. or how the gospel actually works, as said by peter "save yourselves from this crooked generation" in acts 2. or, as chris rosebrough once stated: "the great comission is not "go and make a difference", it's "go and make disciples"".

I don't really know in detail how all churches here in Europe handled the prohibition of gathering, clearly there are many different ways, but at least there's not a national/continental anathema cry of meeting anywhere without a pulpit and praise band... instead i saw many interesting things:

For example, while "Lockdown" here (March til July), a local church here had recorded their sermons, their relevant news and made a short video broadcast every week. Meanwhile they set up an online network for helping each others, while members met voluntarily in small groups in their gardens, respecting the six-person limits, and worshipped together.

I remember one comment from someone about this, it was like "dude, we even read the bible ourselves"... so, how about this verse that god works through all things... :)

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awesome, what you describe is exactly what the church here should have done. But they are driven by money power and fame, they need that hour and a half on sundays. How is the virus there now?

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Reply to Anthony Wade: Virus here (part 1)

Virus here (in Western Europe, as that's the field i overlook without speculating) looks a bit like two parallel worlds at the moment.

At one side you have politicians, epidemiologists and media, who press on the "do something" - button, with calculations, prognoses and warnings about hundreds of thousand deaths. There's more border control than the last 30 years together and countries write each other on quarantine lists. Traveling between countries here is a bit complicated, to say it reluctant...

At the other side it looks a bit like "virus is over", even the german chancellor argued the mask rules with "to let people know that virus is not over", but really, people wear masks only where they're obligatory (shops, schools, traffic), if even, and most of them wear them not right, or even hygienic, some have them for two weeks in their bags without wash them (and brag about that in social media). Germany is remarkable; there are demonstrations about Black Lives Matter, against Global Warming and against Covid-Rules, the biggest with masses somewhere between 30'000 (Police), 1,3 Millions (Organizers) and ~100'000 (what it looks like if you watch drone footage) people - and not one of them really peaked the numbers of cases, it's always around 3% of all tests, no matter how much tests they do. Covid-Deaths in Switzerland are around 2-5 per week, a few dozen people in hospitals, new cases daily here around 300-400, and no one says if that's the number of people or the number of positive test. Statistics are complicated to read and media does not help. There are dozens of initiatives and activist groups who planned to go against restrictions and rules, some of them with arguments and honored scientists (who were thrashed by media narrative), others are pure conspiracy theorists.

Overall, people are very divided over the pandemic issue, and society seems to sit on a big pile of TNT who waits to explode in, well, maybe not riots, but definitive civil disobedience. Not all, but the underlying feeling. It's eerie silence.

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Other European Countries are different. The UK fights with its financially starved-to-death health system, France with the consequences of its suburban ghettos where social distancing is impossible. Numbers are nowhere like they are in the US, but they're higher than in middle Europe. Italy on the other hand, with its dramatic scenes at spring 2020, seems to do very well in number of cases - some people say it's because the strict hygiene rules, others because "no old sick people are left to die, all died in spring". Spain on the other hand looks like going straight into a 2nd wave, despite even harder rules than italy.

The Netherlands going strong against masks, while Belgium (through very hard hitten by deaths, highest number per 100'000 people) even attempt to ditch the pcr-test last week because "unprecise". The Swedish way with its nearly-no-limits (except big gatherings, sorry purpose driven church...) seems to work (at the moment), and it's an argument in all the discussions about rules for the anti-mask/anti-rules people. And Belarus seems to have no corona, they have demonstrations and police fights with millions of people after a probably rigged election, against their president (who says there's no corona and that he was offered 900 millions by organisations like WHO to lockdown his land but refused... what, coming from that source, could be not the truest statement, but should be investigated nonetheless if you ask me).

Maybe this is the biggest argument against "a world wide conspiracy by governments", cause every country here tries to do something, everyone a bit different like the others, and methods and results clearly have no correlations... it's pure chaos.

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In all that, people are clearly more open for the gospel, searching for answers for the big questions of life, now they have time to think without all the big distractions in society, but it's doubtful if the churches sees this opportunity, now that they are most open again with safety concepts and do what they did before all this.

It's even sadder that "going to church" in europe culturally is even less about preaching something or about community, than feeling obligated to go because you do it. Your Grandfather went to church in the village, your parents went to church in the village, so you went, because you are good. (Bible strongly disagrees). American Churchianity is clearly imported in some independent churches, but apart from a few NAR Branch - Churches, the official churches are less euphoric false than more dead (and often false though).

I remember two years ago, sitting in a church in a small village at the north sea. It was five people in a room made for 100, the guy who maintains the church, a guy playing the organ, and an old female preacher who tries to form the very few sentences about peace in the book of micah to a sermon about peace with no logically conclusion for anyone. So there were visitors, an old man, and another older man who came nearly a half hour to late - and me, who was in the town purely by coincidence. After 45 minutes it was over, and the three church officials went to the next village by car, to do the same things, and then to the next, and so through 12 villages over a month, once a month in each of the small german villages.

This is reality in most of europe countries, and i'm thankful for every preacher and pastor who goes out to those dead churches to bring the gospel, like one of the old pastors of my old church, who went to a vacant job in another part of switzerland, where people now despise him for preaching truth, after all the years with his predecessor who told them they are good.

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I've always heard such nice things about living in Switzerland. If i hit lotto i might look into living there lol

Unfortunately, the state of the european church is very similar to the NAR apostate church in america. Half hour about feeling relevant to the world mixed with self-glorifying "worship" ugh

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Reply to Tobi MM: Possible reason

I think, after reading your comments (and this is only my opinion), that the reason for the uprise of NAR and all the many mega-churches is because of the deadness or luke-warmness of the established mainline denominational churches, at least here in the USA. People are looking to know God, to experience Him. Mainline denominational churches here are the same thing week after week. Come in, sit down, stand up, sing, say the same short prayer, sit down, kneel, stand up, pass the offering plate, say the same prayer, sing, sit down, stand up, (wish you ate breakfast because now you're very hungry), hear a sermon that you forget as soon as it's over, stand up, sing, hear the doxology and then thank God, it's over. The same exact thing week after week after week.

In essence there is nothing wrong or false about anything that is said, sung or preached. But, it is as boring as can be. There is no life, there is no experience of God, there is no knowing Jesus Christ. So break-away non denominational churches started en masse. Over time they became more and more popular. The wolves in sheep's clothing saw their opportunity and took over. People looking for that experience...and boy, do those wolves give them an experience! No wonder people freak out at not being able to attend their mega-church meetings because of Covid. They're like drug addicts who need their fix. Because of substituting the once a week "experience" for knowledge of the true God, they must feel like they'll die without it.

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